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House of Representatives to vote on bailout Monday
Calcutta News.Net Monday 29th September, 2008
Majority Democrats are hoping for quick approval of an agreement reached with the Bush administration to bailout endangered financial institutions.
Lawmakers from both major U.S. political parties met late Sunday to examine details of the legislation being drawn up in advance of House and Senate consideration this week. But success could depend on support from enough Republicans in the House of Representatives which is not assured.
House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi says the legislation will come up for a vote in the House on Monday. Under the plan, the government would provide $700 billion to purchase de-valued mortgage-backed securities and other assets from troubled financial firms.
However, Congress would provide the funding in stages: $250 billion immediately, $100 billion upon approval by President Bush, and $350 billion when lawmakers give their final approval.
In addition, an oversight board, to include the Chairman of the Federal Reserve, the nation's central bank, would maintain accountability and report to Congress. Steps would also be taken to prevent more Americans from losing their homes, and enable taxpayers to obtain equity stakes in financial firms.
The plan would set limits on the pay for executives of firms involved in the bailout, a critical point for lawmakers facing a wave of complaints from constituents over multi-million dollar corporate salaries.
As lawmakers met to examine these and other details in the proposed legislation on Sunday, House Speaker Pelosi addressed reporters:
'The party is over,' said Nancy Pelosi. 'The era of golden parachutes for high-flying Wall Street operators is over. No longer will the U.S. taxpayer bailout the recklessness of Wall Street. And that is the news this legislation brings.'
Other components include a mechanism for the government to tax companies benefiting from the bailout if losses are still being felt after five years, an additional effort to recover losses.
Amid indications that most Senate Republicans would support the legislation, Republican Senator Judd Gregg said the hope is that U.S. credit markets will react positively to the news.
'We have given the [Treasury] Secretary the authority and the resources and flexibility necessary, that he feels are necessary,' said Judd Gregg. 'Of course, he is the one who has to make the call, to hopefully be able to go forward and stabilize the credit markets, and free up the credit markets.'
Crucial to congressional approval will be support from House Republicans, who protested strongly against the initial administration proposal and insisted on significant additions.
Saying the responsibility of Congress is to prevent a bad situation from getting worse, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said inaction now would paralyze the U.S. economy.
'The Speaker [of the House of Representatives] is going to send this [to the House] tomorrow, this legislation, we hope it passes here [in the Senate],' said Harry Reid. 'We will have to see what kind of support we get from the Republican House members. When we get it on our side, we will try to move it.'
Republicans complained about the size of the bailout, with some asserting that Democrats tried to cut them out of the negotiation process.
After intense debate in a three-hour meeting of the House Republican caucus, Minority Leader John Boehner said the amount of taxpayer risk in the plan has been reduced. He said he and other party leaders made clear that they would support the plan, but that they could not say how many Republicans would end up voting for it.
'I am encouraging every member of our conference whose conscience will allow them to support this bill,' said John Boehner.
Appearing with congressional leaders early Sunday, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson expressed hope the plan will help stabilize markets.
'We begin with a very important task - a task to stabilize the markets, to protect all Americans and do it in a way which protects the taxpayer to the maximum extent possible,' said Henry Paulson.
House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank responded to a criticism heard from many Americans, that the deal will help Wall Street rather than Main Street, saying that Congress will take further actions next year.
'Remember, that the people on Wall Street who have gotten wealthy during this period will live very well no matter what happens over the next couple of months,' said Barney Frank. 'If lending dries up, if people have trouble reinfinancing homes, if there are not car loans, an Senator Reid mentioned, if small businesses cannot finance their inventory, the people on Wall Street aren't going to be hurting, the people who will be hurting are the average Americans.'
In a written statement on Sunday, President Bush called the votes lawmakers face 'difficult,' but said inaction would be disastrous for the U.S. economy and risk what he called a 'system-wide breakdown.' The president is expected to make a televised statement early Monday before U.S. financial markets open.
Both major U.S. presidential candidates - Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama - expressed tentative support on Sunday for the rescue plan, the biggest financial bailout in U.S. history.
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Anonymous 09-29-08, 02:36 PM |
Reclaim any funds still left
Go after these fellons. We know who they are, and we know how much they took. Use the FBI and start freezing bankaccounts and properties. These guys are on record claiming everything in Fredie and Fanie was OK and its the regulators who were on a hunt to destroy Dem. or black housing. What a farce. Where is a fed. attourny with some balls! Get our money back. Yes I said our money, every last tax payer has money in this pot. P.S. Voters get your heads out of the sand and do some research and think. Do you want Reins as a cabinet member?
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` ~galljdaj+ 09-29-08, 07:45 AM |
House of Representatives to vote on bailout Monday
Saddly, those servants of the People are once again showing the herd mentality, and the bought and paid for effects of the Bribes they have garnered!
The last stampeed was the vote on war making, and that accelerated the run to Our Depression. This Stampeed jumps us off the cliff on the run!
If you understand where Globalization has taken the US 'wEALTH', and, where the Leaders have set up their shops, the destruction of the US 'MODEL' that those Leaders hate with a passion, is the clear winner!
A virtual global village with no government has been created for the wealth masters! And the 'Programs' that Help the Peoples are being destroyed in a worldwide campaign!
Except in a few countries! And they are very clear targets of the hate campaigns!
Our governmental employees need a pay cut of 50%! for each of the two stampeeds!
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` ~galljdaj+ 09-29-08, 08:42 AM |
One such attack against Opposition to the Global Plan...
... , is described in the following Article!:
Published on venezuelanalysis.com (http://www.venezuelanalysis.com)
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Human Rights Watch and elections in Venezuela
Author:
Francisco DomÃnguez
Human Rights Watch (HRW) has released (Sept 18 2008) a highly controversial report (âVenezuela: Rights Suffer Under Chavezâ), which has been characterised by the Venezuelan government biased and inaccurate.
This Report comes in the wake of an intensification of attacks on Venezuela by various branches of the US administration. They include:
the re-establishment of the Fourth Fleet âdecommissioned in 1952, reportedly made up of 25 warships, deployed around South America and about which, several Latin American countries, Brazil, Argentina and Venezuela, amongst them, have expressed deep concerns;
John Walters, the US drug Czar has accused Venezuela of inaction in war on drugs;
the US State Department recently discussed the possibility of adding Venezuela to the list of nations that sponsor terrorism.
the allegation that the Venezuelan government was behind the suitcase stuffed with US$800,000 brought into Argentina by Venezuelan-American citizen, Antonini Wilson, but, which, in reality, was denounced by Chavez and Argentine President Cristina Fernandez, as a dirty operation, about which nothing has been conclusively demonstrated, but which has become the focus of intense media attention.[2]
sanctions by the US Treasury of several Venezuelan officials over unproven allegations that they aided the Revolutionary Armed Forces (FARC) of Colombia.
Most recently, following the expulsion of the US Ambassador from Bolivia over his relations with right wing extremists, Venezuela expelled its US Ambassador in solidarity and the US responded by expelling the Venezuelan Ambassador from the US.
At the same time, on 10 September, a plot led by high level retired and serving military officers was exposed to assassinate President Chavez and carry out a military coup.
This is the context, of acute tensions between Venezuela and the US, when on 18 September HRW published its Report.
HRWâs 2008 Reportâs key theme is: âTen years ago, Chávez promoted a new constitution that could have significantly improved human rights in Venezuela. But rather than advancing rights protections, his government has since moved in the opposite direction, sacrificing basic guarantees in pursuit of its own political agendaâ. The 230-page Report makes the charge that âDiscrimination on political grounds has been a defining feature of the Chavez presidency.â
Although Venezuela under President Chavez is by no means perfect, it bears no relation to the country depicted in HRWâs 2008 Report. The key allegation that discrimination on political grounds has been a defining feature of the Chavez presidency looks absurd when it is understood that the civil service remains largely full of supporters of the old regime, some of whom have allegedly engaged in criminal actions, such as the destruction of key operational facilities of the national oil company PDVSA, during the oil lock-out that brought the countryâs economy to near collapse.
The lockout took place almost immediately after the short-lived overthrow of President Chavez in a military coup in April 2002 backed by the military high command, the main private media, the national employersâ organisation and the old discredited trade union federation the CTV. The coup was followed by a campaign to oust Chavez through a recall referendum in 2004. When that failed the opposition boycotted the 2005 parliamentary election in order to try to question the legitimacy of the government. Throughout these tense events opposition politicians and private media talked openly of violently overthrowing the government and adopted an intensely confrontational attitude.
Revelations of the recent coup plot and plans to assassinate President Chavez, just before regional and local elections in November, are in line with the stance taken by the opposition at crucial moments.
Contrary to HRWâs allegations that the Venezuelan government practices âpolitical discriminationâ against the opposition, the governmentâs attitude to the oppositionâs persistent efforts to use violent and unconstitutional means to overthrow it, has been one of tolerance and magnanimity. Last year, President Chavez pardoned political opponents who backed the failed 2002 coup against his democratically-elected government. He explained âItâs a matter of turning the page,â Chávez said. “We want there to be a strong ideological and political debate — but in peace.â In this spirit, the government has often welcomed input from the opposition, for example, inviting the leaders of student protests to address the National Assembly.[3] Not a common occurrence anywhere else in the world.
All political parties in Venezuela operate without any constraints whatsoever. The majority of these parties are in the opposition, their difficulty is that they do not enjoy the high levels of support of the fewer pro-government political parties. Opposition parties in Venezuela can and do organise public meetings, rallies, demonstrations, street marches, their spokespersons speak regularly on TV and radio â and they never moderate their language, their criticism, or their opposition to the government. They stand candidates for elections, hold national party events, issue proclamations, statements, hold press conferences, publish books, pamphlets, disseminate anti-government propaganda â in the streets and through the media without any governmental sanctions whatsoever.
The great majority of private newspapers and television stations in the country support the Opposition and they face no restrictions other than the normal ones that exist in any democratic country, such as those governing libel and defamation. No Venezuelan newspaper has ever been subjected to any censorship by the Chavez administration.
There are no political prisoners of any kind in Venezuela.
With regard to the Judiciary, contrary to the HRW Reportâs contention, under Chavez the independence and probity of the judiciary has been significantly strengthened by dealing with the corruption with which it was previously riddled. HRWâs own 2004 report recognized this: âWhen President Chávez became president in 1999, he inherited a judiciary that had been plagued for years by influence-peddling, political interference, and, above all, corruption...In terms of public credibility, the system was bankrupt.â[4] Under Chavez are being stamped out in the judiciary, thereby improving its efficiency.
At the same time, all democratic institutions have been strengthened in Venezuela, exemplified by the internationally verified efficiency and scrupulous fairness of the National Electoral Council, which has had no hesitation in upholding electoral results unfavourable to the government such as the defeat of the 2007 constitutional referendum â a result accepted immediately by President Chavez and his government.
HRWâs assertion that the Venezuelan media balance is shifting in favour of Chavez is misleading. In fact, the Opposition media enjoy unrestricted freedom but they are increasingly seen as grossly biased and as having lost the political argument. The reality remains that, the private media, which largely supports the Opposition, control the largest share of the airwaves, and there are no major pro-government national daily newspapers.
HRWâs allegation that the government âhas sought to remake the countryâs labor movement in ways that violate basic principles of freedom of association,â also bears no relation to reality. There are 6 national trade union federations in Venezuela (CTV, CUTV, UNT, CODESA, CGT, and CST), all of which function with total freedom and without the kind of draconian anti-trade union legislation which disfigures the US and many of its allies. Industrial relations are evolving positively. Furthermore, the level of trade union membership is rising â before Chavez came to office in 1999, 11% of workers were in unions, the figure now is estimated to be over 20%. Thus, HRWâs allegation that the government violates basic principles of union association is not borne out by the facts.
The HRW 2008 Report charge that the Chávez government has an âaggressively adversarial approach to local rights advocates and civil society organizationsâ is equally false. With varying degrees of success, the government has been empowering millions of hitherto excluded people through an array of social organizations, such as â tens of thousands of - communal councils, which aim to democratize local government. There are also 200,000 cooperatives, womenâs organizations, indigenous organizations, Afro-descendants organizations, organizations of gays and lesbians, and so forth. The numbers of these organizations have mushroomed because their rights have, for the first time ever, been either enshrined in the 1999 constitution or are being actively promoted and the government has been keen to assist them.
Additionally, as part of the implementation of the principles of participatory democracy enshrined in the 1999 Constitution, the government has made successful efforts to enfranchise ever larger layers of the traditionally excluded.
In terms of the traditional electoral process, the number of registered voters has increased phenomenonally. When Chavez was first elected President in 1998 the number of registered voters was 11,013,020. This has increased to 16,109,664 (a staggering 60% increase) by the time of the 2007 Constitutional Referendum.[5]
At the same time, Venezuela has held more internationally recognized democratic elections than virtually any other country in the world in the decade Chavez has been in office.
To argue, as does the HRW, that this situation corresponds in any way to stifling civil society is to deny reality.
The government, however, has had serious concerns about illegal activity by a relatively small number of NGO-type of bodies funded by the US which engage in campaigns to subvert the constitutional order. The US funded SUMATE âNGOâ, for example, centralized the collection of signatures to unseat Chavez in 2004, and its leader, Corina Machado, endorsed the 2002 coup. The publicly acknowledged funding of such so-called NGOs comes from US sources like the infamous National Endowment for Democracy, USAID, the International Republican Institute (IRI), the National Democratic Institute for International Affairs, the American Centre for International Labour Solidarity and the Centre for International Private Enterprise. The government of Venezuela, charges that these organisations are channels for the covert funding of opposition groups to seek to undermine democratic institutions and the elected government. This charge is amply confirmed by international experience. One example illustrates this. On hearing of the ousting of Chavez in April 2002, International Republican Institute (IRI) President, George A. Folsom, issued the following statement:
âLast night, led by every sector of civil society, the Venezuelan people rose up to defend democracy in their country. Venezuelans were provoked into action as a result of systematic repression by the Government of Hugo Chavez. Several hundred thousand people filled the streets of Caracas to demand the resignation of Lt. Col. Chavez.â[6]
The chairman of the IRI since 1993 has been Republican presidential candidate, John McCain, who has made no bones about his intense antagonism to progressive governments in Latin America, especially, Chavez. His campaign website even featured an online petition calling for support in his quest to âstop the dictators of Latin America.â The petition called for the removal of Chávez âin the name of democracy and freedom throughout our hemisphere.â Although the petition was taken down, it is an indication of his thinking, as leader of this NGO-funder and a possible future president of the US.[7]
In a similar vein, several months after the failed 2002 coup, the US State Dept established an Office of Transition Initiatives (OTI) in Caracas, with money from USAID and which operates out of the US Embassy with, among other stated objectives: âto provide fast, flexible, short-term assistance targeted at key transition needs.â[8] âTransitionâ has to be seen in the context of the US administrationâs doctrine of its right to seek to externally promote âregime changeâ in countries which it perceives as pursuing policies against the interests of the sections of the US it represents.
The Chavez government has been expanding democracy and social progress to unprecedented levels. And in truth, there is no serious evidence of any systematic effort or policy aimed at attacking human rights, in fact, all evidence points in the opposite direction. Therefore, it is difficult not to conclude that HRWâs 2008 Report, as on previous occasions, does not have the purpose of constructive criticism of shortcomings or possible flaws in the process of social progress and democratization underway in Venezuela â which would be welcome â but that it distorts reality to depict a country on the verge of becoming a nasty dictatorship. The imbalance in the Report is evident in that, for example, it does not even mention the substantial progress that has been made in improving the human rights of the immense majority of the population by such means as:
the reduction of poverty (by 34%),
the eradication of illiteracy,
the expansion of education from 6 million people participating in education in 1998 to more than 12 million in 2008
the access to free health care increased to the great majority of the population, about 20 million people, by 2008
the provision of subsidized food benefiting 12-14 million people in 2008
the reduction in unemployment to historic low levels of around 7% in 2008,
the promotion of a far greater role of women in society and the economy,
and the dramatic increase in social spending that has taken place in Venezuela since the election of Chavez.
The unbalanced and plain misleading character of HRWâs reports on Venezuela has been consistent and has coincided uncannily with the run-up to important electoral contests such as the forthcoming November elections this year.
It issued a communiqué on Venezuela with similar unsubstantiated themes in June 2004, just two months before the recall referendum against Chavez. In October 2007, it published a statement expressing similar preoccupations just two months before the constitutional referendum. And HRW published its 2008 report on 18 September 2008 just two months away from regional and local authority elections in Venezuela in November 2008. All these reports have echoed US anti-Chavez propaganda: âa dictatorship is in the making in Venezuelaâ.
Back in June, John McCain said in a speech to the Florida Association of Broadcasters: âHugo Chavez has used the cloak of electoral legitimacy to establish a one party dictatorship in Venezuela.â[9]
The question presents itself: who stands to gain from Human Rights Watch activity in Venezuela â the population of the country or the Washington administration seeking to undermine an elected government seen as breaking free of its traditional economic and political domination?
Dr Francisco DomÃnguez is head of Centre for Brazilian and Latin American Studies at Middlesex University.
[2] Despite repeated requests by both Argentina and Venezuela, US authorities have refused to extradite Antonini to face questions.
[3] Venezuela Information Office, âThe Truth Suffers in Human Rights Watch Report on Venezuelaâ [1]
[4] http://www.hrw.org/reports/2004/venezuela0604/ [2]
[5] Consejo National Electoral, http://www.cne.gov.ve/estadisticas.php [3]
[6] US Department of State and the Broadcasting Board of Governors Office of Inspector General, âA Review of U.S. Policy Toward Venezuela November 2001 - April 2002â Report Number 02-OIG-003, July 2002, p.31, http://oig.state.gov/documents/organization/13682.pdf [4]
[7] Nikolas Kozloff, âMr Big Stick in Latin America, Meet John McCainâ, http://www.counterpunch.org/kozloff02132008.html [5]
[8] Tom Barry, The New Politics of Political Aid in Venezuela, http://americas.irc-online.org/am/4420 [6]
[9] Senator John McCain Address On Latin America To The Florida Association Of Broadcasters, June 20, 2007, http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/News/Speeches/BDA9E453-0115-40F5-9275-3EB29BB6F994.htm [7]
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[1] http://www.rethinkvenezuela.com/downloads/HRW Myth Fact.htm
[2] http://www.hrw.org/reports/2004/venezuela0604/
[3] http://www.cne.gov.ve/estadisticas.php
[4] http://oig.state.gov/documents/organization/13682.pdf
[5] http://www.counterpunch.org/kozloff02132008.html
[6] http://americas.irc-online.org/am/4420
[7] http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/News/Speeches/BDA9E453-0115-40F5-9275-3EB29BB6F994.htm
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Anonymous 09-29-08, 10:59 AM |
So many forgetful mioinformed or just liars on this board
Looky looky!
Yes we all saw this coming years and years ago.
September 11, 2003
New Agency Proposed to Oversee Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae
By STEPHEN LABATON
The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago.
Under the plan, disclosed at a Congressional hearing today, a new agency would be created within the Treasury Department to assume supervision of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored companies that are the two largest players in the mortgage lending industry.
The new agency would have the authority, which now rests with Congress, to set one of the two capital-reserve requirements for the companies. It would exercise authority over any new lines of business. And it would determine whether the two are adequately managing the risks of their ballooning portfolios.
The plan is an acknowledgment by the administration that oversight of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — which together have issued more than $1.5 trillion in outstanding debt — is broken. A report by outside investigators in July concluded that Freddie Mac manipulated its accounting to mislead investors, and critics have said Fannie Mae does not adequately hedge against rising interest rates.
''There is a general recognition that the supervisory system for housing-related government-sponsored enterprises neither has the tools, nor the stature, to deal effectively with the current size, complexity and importance of these enterprises,'' Treasury Secretary John W. Snow told the House Financial Services Committee in an appearance with Housing Secretary Mel Martinez, who also backed the plan.
Mr. Snow said that Congress should eliminate the power of the president to appoint directors to the companies, a sign that the administration is less concerned about the perks of patronage than it is about the potential political problems associated with any new difficulties arising at the companies.
The administration’s proposal, which was endorsed in large part today by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, would not repeal the significant government subsidies granted to the two companies. And it does not alter the implicit guarantee that Washington will bail the companies out if they run into financial difficulty; that perception enables them to issue debt at significantly lower rates than their competitors. Nor would it remove the companies' exemptions from taxes and antifraud provisions of federal securities laws.
The proposal is the opening act in one of the biggest and most significant lobbying battles of the Congressional session.
After the hearing, Representative Michael G. Oxley, chairman of the Financial Services Committee, and Senator Richard Shelby, chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, announced their intention to draft legislation based on the administration’s proposal. Industry executives said Congress could complete action on legislation before leaving for recess in the fall.
''The current regulator does not have the tools, or the mandate, to adequately regulate these enterprises,'' Mr. Oxley said at the hearing. ''We have seen in recent months that mismanagement and questionable accounting practices went largely unnoticed by the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight,'' the independent agency that now regulates the companies.
''These irregularities, which have been going on for several years, should have been detected earlier by the regulator,'' he added.
The Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight, which is part of the Department of Housing and Urban Development, was created by Congress in 1992 after the bailout of the savings and loan industry and concerns about regulation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which buy mortgages from lenders and repackage them as securities or hold them in their own portfolios.
At the time, the companies and their allies beat back efforts for tougher oversight by the Treasury Department, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation or the Federal Reserve. Supporters of the companies said efforts to regulate the lenders tightly under those agencies might diminish their ability to finance loans for lower-income families. This year, however, the chances of passing legislation to tighten the oversight are better than in the past.
Reflecting the changing political climate, both Fannie Mae and its leading rivals applauded the administration’s package. The support from Fannie Mae came after a round of discussions between it and the administration and assurances from the Treasury that it would not seek to change the company’s mission.
After those assurances, Franklin D. Raines, Fannie Mae’s chief executive, endorsed the shift of regulatory oversight to the Treasury Department, as well as other elements of the plan.
''We welcome the administration’s approach outlined today,'' Mr. Raines said. The company opposes some smaller elements of the package, like one that eliminates the authority of the president to appoint 5 of the company’s 18 board members.
Company executives said that the company preferred having the president select some directors. The company is also likely to lobby against the efforts that give regulators too much authority to approve its products.
Freddie Mac, whose accounting is under investigation by the Securities and Exchange Commission and a United States attorney in Virginia, issued a statement calling the administration plan a ''responsible proposal.''
The stocks of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae fell while the prices of their bonds generally rose. Shares of Freddie Mac fell $2.04, or 3.7 percent, to $53.40, while Fannie Mae was down $1.62, or 2.4 percent, to $66.74. The price of a Fannie Mae bond due in March 2013 rose to 97.337 from 96.525.Its yield fell to 4.726 percent from 4.835 percent on Tuesday.
Fannie Mae, which was previously known as the Federal National Mortgage Association, and Freddie Mac, which was the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation, have been criticized by rivals for exerting too much influence over their regulators.
''The regulator has not only been outmanned, it has been outlobbied,'' said Representative Richard H. Baker, the Louisiana Republican who has proposed legislation similar to the administration proposal and who leads a subcommittee that oversees the companies. ''Being underfunded does not explain how a glowing report of Freddie’s operations was released only hours before the managerial upheaval that followed. This is not world-class regulatory work.''
Significant details must still be worked out before Congress can approve a bill. Among the groups denouncing the proposal today were the National Association of Home Builders and Congressional Democrats who fear that tighter regulation of the companies could sharply reduce their commitment to financing low-income and affordable housing.
''These two entities — Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — are not facing any kind of financial crisis,'' said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ''The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.''
Representative Melvin L. Watt, Democrat of North Carolina, agreed.
''I don’t see much other than a shell game going on here, moving something from one agency to another and in the process weakening the bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get affordable housing,'' Mr. Watt said.
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kawahchan 09-29-08, 11:16 AM |
If Socialist Obama's diehard supporters to bailout McCAIN's supporter's foreclosure ?
So the majority Democratic Grandma Speaker Nancy Pelosi lead Congress is ready to vote on bailout Monday, every individual American taxpayer will prepare their own share to pay for the $700 billion dollar bailout. If Socialist Obama’s diehard supporters to bailout McCAIN’s supporter’s foreclosure ?
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` ~galljdaj+ 09-29-08, 11:43 AM |
The post of 11:16am has...
... , and expresses ample bias and bigotry
and places a question mark to the end of the nonsense.
So is the post simply a 'hate message', or is the poster asking a real question, along with expressing his internal biases and hates?
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Anonymous 09-29-08, 01:57 PM |
Look at this
` ~galljdaj+;106259: ... , and expresses ample bias and bigotry
and places a question mark to the end of the nonsense.
So is the post simply a 'hate message', or is the poster asking a real question, along with expressing his internal biases and hates?
We have a user throwing around assertions of bigotry!
What could be his motivation?
Expressions of bigotry from a known bigot?
Is the allegation of bigotry being used to shut someone up?
Possibly the user making the allegations should simply stick to his attack campaigns rather then focusing on calling others names when he clearly engages in bigotry and misinformation himself.
Will this post also be vetted by a mod before it sees the light of day?
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