Arctic ice shelf barely hanging together

Arctic ice shelf barely hanging together

Bull shit. I went there myself to check it out. It’s a lie

more lies

They tell you this lie and they give you no evidence to back it up. I want to see the proof! Go there yourself and you will see that it is a lie.

What is enough proof?

Lets wait until the water level is up around our necks.. The is that enough proof? How about you checkout the satellite photos? Is everyone lying about this? People, if we do not take this seriously then we have nobody to blame except ourselves.. People like Mike.. what are they going to say? Sorry?

mike you are an idiot !!!

plain and simple,you are an idiot.

You want proof?

Google the following after removing the [] brackets, top link should be what you need:

[quikscat manati.orbit arctic]
That will get you QuikScat. A radar system that shows the remains of the perennial ice as white, first year ice as grey.

[environment canada beaufort]
That will get you a web page on the collapse of the Beaufort Sea ice pack.

[environment canada HRPT]
That will get you a page with satellite pics. Scroll down to the heading HRPT, and check out “Northern Canada and Arctic Ocean”, “Canadian Arctic Composite”, and “Northern Nunavut." At this time of year it’s best to use visible (the surface is obscured by water vapour for IR and 3um).

Mike has not been to the Arctic. Had he been his statements would bear some relation to what is happening up there.

The truth

not an idiot;83954:
plain and simple,you are an idiot.

One side of the planets ice is in fact melting at the edges but as it does so the thickness in the center is increasing.
The other pole is what the alarmest media is not telling you about!
It’s ice sheet is growing as fast as the other is melting!

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Published on Friday, May 20, 2005 by the Los Angeles Times
As Climate Shifts, Antarctic Ice Sheet Is Growing
Increased snowfall on the central icecap partly offsets effects of melting glaciers, researchers say.

by Robert Lee Hotz

As glaciers from Greenland to Kilimanjaro recede at record rates, the central icecap of Antarctica has been steadily growing for 11 years, partially offsetting the rise in seas from the melt waters of global warming, researchers said Thursday.

The vast East Antarctic Ice Sheet � a 2-mile-thick wasteland larger than Australia, drier than the Sahara and as cold as a Martian spring � increased in mass every year from 1992 to 2003 because of additional annual snowfall, an analysis of satellite radar measurements showed.

“It is an effect that has been predicted as a likely result of climate change," said David Vaughan, an independent expert on the ice sheets at the British Antarctic Survey in Cambridge, England.

In a region known for the lowest temperatures recorded on Earth, it normally is too cold for snow to form across the 2.7 million square miles of the ice sheet. Any additional annual snowfall in East Antarctica, therefore, is almost certainly attributable to warmer temperatures, four experts on Antarctica said.

“As the atmosphere warms, it should hold more moisture," said climatologist Joseph R. McConnell at the Desert Research Institute in Reno, who helped conduct the study. “In East Antarctica, that means there should be more snowfall."

The additional snowfall is enough to account for 45 billion tons of water added to the ice sheet every year, just about equal to the amount of water flowing annually into the ocean from the melting Greenland icecap, the scientists reported in research published online Thursday by the journal Science.


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The media is lying to us to promote the global warming lobbiest agenda!
The agenda is to get into all of our pockets with taxes.

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THERE IS NO MAN-MADE GLOBAL WARMING







By Tom DeWeese
December 16, 2004
NewsWithViews.com



There is no scientific evidence to back claims of man-made global warming. Period. Anyone who tells you that scientific research shows warming trends-be they teachers, newscasters, Congressmen, Senators, Vice Presidents or Presidents-is wrong. In fact, scientific research through U.S. government satellite and balloon measurements shows that the temperature is actually cooling-very slightly-.037 degrees Celsius.

A little research into modern-day temperature trends bears this out. For example, in 1936 the Midwest of the United States experienced 49 consecutive days of temperatures over 90 degrees. There were another 49 consecutive days in 1955. But in1992 there was only one day over 90 degrees and, in 1997, only 5 days. Because of modern science and improved equipment, this “cooling” trend has been most accurately documented over the past 18 years. Ironically, that’s the same period of time the hysteria has grown over dire warnings of “warming."

Changes in global temperatures are natural. In fact, much of the recent severe weather has been directly attributed to a natural phenomenon that occurs every so often called El Nino. It causes ocean temperatures to rise as tropical trade winds actually reverse for a time. The resulting temperature changes cause severe storms, flooding, and even drought on every continent on earth. It’s completely natural. El Nino has been wreaking its havoc across the globe since long before man appeared.

How about the reports that the polar ice cap is melting? On Election Day the Financial Times of London carried the hysterical headline: “Arctic Ice Cap Set to Disappear by the Year 2070." The article stated that the Arctic ice cap is melting at an unprecedented rate. The article is based on a report titled: “Impacts of a Warming Arctic," submitted by a group of researchers called the Arctic Climate Impact Assessement (ACIA).

It must be understood just who makes up this so-called group of researchers. The report is not unbiased scientific data. Rather, it is propaganda from political groups who have an agenda. The report was commissioned by the Arctic Council, which is comprised of a consortium of radical envionmentalists from Canada, Denmark, Iceland, Finland, Norway, Russia, Sweden, and the United States. All are nations that possess land within the Arctic Circle. Many of these countries, through the Kyoto Protocol, have a financial stake in pushing the global warming agenda. One of the groups providing “scientists” to the ACIA “researchers” is the World Wildlife Fund, one of the leading chicken-little scaremongers who create junk science at the drop of a news release to terrify us all into proper environmental conduct.

The report is now being used at the global warming meeting currently underway in Buenos Aires to rally the troops and bully the United States into accepting the discredited Kyoto Protocol.

We are being warned of killer heat waves, vast flooding, and the spread of tropical diseases. Ocean levels are rising and America’s coastlines are doomed, they tell us. Hurricanes and tornadoes have already become more violent, we are warned. Floods and droughts have begun to ravage the nation, they cry.

Any change in temperatures, or an excessive storm, or extended flooding is looked upon as a sure sign that environmental Armageddon is upon us. Diabolical environmentalists are using the natural El Nino phenomenon to whip people into a Global Warming hysteria.

Two Kinds of Scientists

We are assured by such groups that scientists everywhere are sounding these warnings, and that we may only have one chance to stop it. Well, as the debate rages, we find that there are really two kinds of scientists.

There are those who look at facts and make their judgements based on what they see and know. Their findings can be matched by any other scientist, using the same data and set of circumstances to reach the same conclusions. It’s a age-old practice called “peer review." It’s the only true science.

And then there are those who yearn for a certain outcome and set about creating the needed data to make it so. Usually you will find this group of scientists greatly dependent on grants supplied by those with a specific political agenda who demand desired outcomes for their money.

Let’s just take NASA, for example-the most trusted name in American science. A lot of NASA scientists have fallen into the money trap. Environmental science has become the life-blood of the space program as the nation has lost interest in space travel. To keep the bucks coming, NASA has justified launches through the excuse of earth-directed environmental research. And the budgets keep coming. At the same time, many of NASA’s scientists have a political agenda in great harmony with those who advocate global warming. And they’re not above using their position to aid that agenda whenever the chance is available.

This was never more clearly demonstrated than in 1992 when a team of three NASA scientists were monitoring conditions over North America to determine if the ozone layer was in danger. Inconclusive data indicated that conditions might be right for ozone damage over North America-if certain things happened.

True scientists are a careful lot. They study, they wait, and many times they test again before drawing conclusions. Not so, the green zealot. Of this three-member NASA team, two could not be sure of what they had found and wanted to do more research. But one took the data and rushed to the microphones with all of the drama of a Hollywood movie and announced in hushed tones that NASA had discovered an ozone hole over North America.

Then Senator Al Gore rushed to the floor of the Senate with the news, and drove a stampede to immediately ban Freon-five years before Congress had intended-and without a suitable substitute. He then bullied President George H.W. Bush to sign the legislation by saying the ozone hole was over Kennebunkport, Maine-Bush’s favorite vacation spot.

Two months later NASA announced-on the back pages of the newspapers-that further research had shown there was no such damage. But it was too late. The valuable comodity known as Freon was gone forever.

Flawed Computer Models

Then there are those computer models. Night after night Americans watch the local news as the weatherman predicts what kind of a day tomorrow will be. These meteorologists, using the most up-to-date equipment available, boldly give you the five-day forecast.

But it’s well known that even with all of their research and expensive equipment it really is just a “best guess." There are just too many variables. If the wind picks up here, it could blow in a storm. If the temperature drops there, it could start to snow. The earth is a vast and wondrous place. Weather does what it wants.

Yet those who are promoting the global warming theory have the audacity to tell you they can forecast changes in the global climate decades into the future. The truth is computer models are able to include only two out of 14 components that make up the climate system. To include the third component would take a computer a thousand times faster than we have now. To go beyond the third component requires an increase in computer power that is so large only mathematicians can comprehend the numbers. Moreover, even if the computer power existed, scientists do not understand all the factors and the relationships between them that determine the global climate.

So it’s an outrage for the World Wildlife Fund or the Sierra Club to tell you that man-made global warming is a fact and that we Americans must now suffer dire changes in our lifestyle to stop it.

Scientists are Not on the Global Warming Bandwagon

And so too is it an outrage for the news media to tell you that most true scientists now agree that man-made global warming is a fact. What it doesn’t tell you is that roughly 500 scientists from around the world signed the Heidleburg Appeal in 1992, just prior to the Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro, expressing their doubts and begging the delegates not to bind the world to any dire treaties based on global warming. Today that figure has grown to over 4000 scientists. Americans aren’t being told that a 1997 Gallop Poll of prominent North American climatologists showed that 83 percent of them disagreed with the man-made global warming theory.

And the deceit knows no bounds. The United Nations released a report at the end of 1996 saying global warming was a fact, yet before releasing the report, two key paragraphs were deleted from the final draft. Those two paragraphs, written by the scientists who did the actual scientific analysis, said:

1. “[N]one of the studies cited above has shown clear evidence that we can attribute the observed climate changes to increases in greenhouse gases."

2. “[N]o study to date has positively attributed all or part of the climate change to�man-made causes."

Obviously, those two paragraphs aren’t consistant with the political agenda the UN is pushing. So, science be damned. Global warming is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the people of the world-bar none.

The Kyoto Climate Control Protocol

Those who have been fighting against the radical green agenda have been warning that modern-day environmentalism has little to do with protecting the environment. Rather, it is a political movement led by those who seek to control the world economies, dictate development, and redistribute the world’s wealth.

They use the philosophical base of Karl Marx, the tactics of the KGB, and the rhetoric of the Sierra Club. The American people have been assaulted from all directions by rabid environmentalists.

School children have been told that recycling is a matter of life and death. Businesses have been shut down. Valuable products like Freon have been removed from the market. Chemicals and pesticides that helped to make this nation the safest and healthiest in the world are targeted for extinction. Our entire nation is being restructured to fit the proper green mold. All of it for a lie about something man has nothing to do with.

But the lie has grown to massive proportions-and the game is about to get very serious indeed. Pressure is building again to impose the Kyoto Protocol worldwide. Only a few years ago, this treaty appeared dead when President George W. Bush refused American participation. Now, however, Russia has signed on and the UN has enough support to begin implementing its dire consequences-even on the United States. Senator John McCain (R-AZ) has called the White House stance on global warming “terribly disappointing." McCain is now using the ACIA report to convene hearings on the “human effect on climate and what to do about it." McCain intends to help build pressure on the President to accept the Kyoto Protocol.

In fact the Kyoto Protocol is a legally binding international treaty through which industrial nations agree to cut back their energy emissions to 7 percent below 1990 levels. That means that all of the energy growth since 1990 would be rolled back, plus 7 percent more. Such a massive disruption in the American economy, particularly since it has nothing to do with protecting the environment, will devastate this nation.

To meet such drastically-reduced energy standards will-in the short run-cost the United States over one million jobs. Some estimate it will cost over seven million jobs in 14 years. If the treaty sends the economy into a tailspin, as many predict, it will cost even more jobs.

It will cost the average family $1,000 to $4,000 dollars per year in increased energy costs. The cost of food will skyrocket. It has been estimated that in order for the United States to meet such a goal, our gross domestic product will be reduced by $200 billion-annually.

To force down energy use, the Federal government will have to enforce a massive energy tax that will drive up the cost of heating your home by as much as 30 to 40 percent. In all likelihood there will be a tax on gasoline-as high as 60 cents per gallon. There will be consumption taxes and carbon taxes. The Department of Energy has estimated that electricity prices could rise 86 percent-and gasoline prices 53 percent.

The purpose of these punitive costs is to drive up the cost of modern living in order to force you to drastically change your lifestyle. That is the diabolical plan behind this restructuring scheme. Cars banned. Industry curtailed. Housing smaller. Family size controlled.

Every single product that is produced with the use of energy will increase in price. This includes items such as aspirin, contact lenses, and tooth paste. A study by the Department of Energy’s Argonne Laboratory finds that the treaty will cripple six U.S. industries including paper, steel, petroleum refining, chemical manufacturing, aluminum, and cement. That about sums up the economy.

Global Raid on American Wealth

But perhaps you still are not convinced. Maybe you still cling to the idea that such drastic action is necessary-that those pushing the global warming agenda are truly in a panic over global warming and are just trying to find a solution.

If you are one of these people, as yourself: Why does the Kyoto Protocol only bind developed nations to draconian emission levels?

Undeveloped Third-World nations will be free to produce whatever they want. These will include China, India, Brazil, and Mexico. Yet 82 percent of the projected emissions growth in future years will come from these countries.

Now ask yourself: If the Kyoto Climate Change Protocol is all about protecting the environment-then how come it doesn’t cover everybody? The truth, of course, is that the treaty is really about redistribution of the wealth. The wealth of the United States is, and has always been, the target. The new scheme to grab the loot is through environmental scare tactics.

And international corporations, who owe allegiance to no nation, will bolt America and move their factories, lock, stock, and computer chip to those Third World countries where they will be free to carry on production. But that means the same emissions will be coming out of the jungles of South America instead of Chicago. So where is the protection of the environment? You see, it’s not about that, is it?

Still not convinced? One more thing. Hidden in the small print of the treaty is a provision that calls for the “harmonizing of patent laws." Now, robbing a nation of its patent protection is an interesting tactic for protecting the environment, don’t you think?

And there’s still more looting of the U.S. treasury planned. Supporters of the Kyoto Protocol also want industrialized nations to subsidize poor countries' adaption to global warming to the tune of $73 billion per year. Obtaining such subsidies will be an interesting trick after the U.S. economy has been destroyed by the treaty. Looters rarely have the ability to think that far in advance.

Don’t think this devastation can’t happen. The UN and the European Union have exposed their hatred for the United States. They envy our wealth and think that legalized theft, rather than sound economic policy, is the way to obtain it.

Denial is futile

The trend in Antarctic ice is not statistically significant.

Last year the Arctic summer minima was down 1/4 from the previous average. A 25% drop in one year IS statistically significant.

When someone raises the issue of the Antarctic to challenge the collapse of the Arctic they’re merely showing they don’t even know the basics. An informed person would know that the Antarctic is a landmass surrounded by sea, while the Arctic is a sea surrounded by land. So knowing that they’re completely different, an informed person wouldn’t expect them to react to global warming in the same way!

Anyone who claims there is no scientific consensus that the Earth is warming, and the most likely reason for the 0.6degC warming is human activity, is merely showing they don’t read the primary peer reviewed science. The real consensus is in the literature.

Anyway, denial is futile when you’re trying to deny a real process.

Try stopping the incoming tide by pretending it’s not real.

the ice shelf

i say that if everybody stopped driving or drove eco friendly cars the ice would stop melting and keep it from killing everyone on earth.

What are you the borg of stupid?

CobblyWorlds;84074:
The trend in Antarctic ice is not statistically significant.

Last year the Arctic summer minima was down 1/4 from the previous average. A 25% drop in one year IS statistically significant.

When someone raises the issue of the Antarctic to challenge the collapse of the Arctic they’re merely showing they don’t even know the basics. An informed person would know that the Antarctic is a landmass surrounded by sea, while the Arctic is a sea surrounded by land. So knowing that they’re completely different, an informed person wouldn’t expect them to react to global warming in the same way!

Anyone who claims there is no scientific consensus that the Earth is warming, and the most likely reason for the 0.6degC warming is human activity, is merely showing they don’t read the primary peer reviewed science. The real consensus is in the literature.

Anyway, denial is futile when you’re trying to deny a real process.

Try stopping the incoming tide by pretending it’s not real.

No one is denying a NORMAL cycle of events the ice shelfs retreat and come back every year!
Sometimes they come back bigger sometimes they come back smaller.
what is being denied is how the alarmist media is using this to sell news stories and how governments are using it to promote social change, Taxes and more government!
It’s a shame people like you are so invested in a lie.

The Post accompanied this with a photo of melting Arctic ice over the piece captioned �Disintegration in the Arctic Ocean�s Ward Hunt Ice Shelf.� But the Daily Tech cites new research from the University of Illinois, Champaign-Urbana:

Rapid growth spurt leaves amount of ice at levels seen 29 years ago.

Thanks to a rapid rebound in recent months, global sea ice levels now equal those seen 29 years ago, when the year 1979 also drew to a close. �Earlier this year, predictions were rife that the North Pole could melt entirely in 2008. Instead, the Arctic ice saw a substantial recovery. Bill Chapman, a researcher with the UIUC�s Arctic Center, tells DailyTech this was due in part to colder temperatures in the region. Chapman says wind patterns have also been weaker this year. Strong winds can slow ice formation as well as forcing ice into warmer waters where it will melt.

Why were predictions so wrong? Researchers had expected the newer sea ice, which is thinner, to be less resilient and melt easier. Instead, the thinner ice had less snow cover to insulate it from the bitterly cold air, and therefore grew much faster than expected, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center.


It�s always wise to check out the actual science developments on global warming issues when liberal reporters insist, with a rather unscientific attitude, that there is no opposing side to report on.

Arctic

Well I dont really know who is telling the truth or not. But I do know that all signs are in fact telling us something. The weather changes, storms, flooding, etc. We all should get together and try to save mother earth, what the government doesnt destroy first. Like all these wars, maybe thats what is causing the climate change, go figure were kill ourselves by destroying the earth. Now that is stupid..