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U.S. delegation in Israel considers military option for Iran

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Monday 19th February, 2007 (Ynet news)

Iran was at the center of talks held between members of the Joint Parliamentary Committee for the US and Israel, Knesset Member Yuval Steinitz told Ynetnews on Monday evening.

Steinitz is hosting a delegation of Congresswoman Jane Harman (D-California), Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords (D-Arizona) and Congressman Steve Pearce (R-New Mexico), and Arizona Senator John Kyl who arrived on a military flight to Israel on Sunday night to meet with fellow Israeli committee members. On Monday evening, the delegation met with Prime Minister Ehud Olmert in Jerusalem, and later Opposition Leader Benjamin Netanyahu.

"The Iranian subject was the first topic in all of the discussions," Steinitz said, adding: "It was the central issue."

"Everyone expressed an unequivocal stance that Iran must not be allowed to be a nuclear country, and to have nuclear weapons," Steinitz said. "There is some hope that if Europe works with the US to achieve economic sanctions, and a blockade on Tehran, then Iran may agree to halts its program, like North Korea," he said. "If not, it's pretty clear that the military solution is on table," he added.

The US delegation toured Jerusalem throughout Monday. Knesset Member Steinitz told Ynetnews he showed the US delegation around the works being carried out at the Mugrabi Gate, as well as archaeological work around the Western Wall.

"I explained to them that the Islamic Movement's claims are not political, but are a total rejection of Judeo-Christian history. Their claim that there was no Temple in Jerusalem, and their rejection of what was said in the Old and New Testament, is an attack on Judeo-Christian tradition. It is an attempt to start a religious fanatic war," Steinitz said. He added that the delegation understood the severity of the issue.

In the past, the joint Knesset-Congress-Senate committee helped make hundreds of millions of dollars available for Israel's missile defense shield, Arrow, which is produced in cooperation Boeing in the US.

In addition, according to Steinitz, the committee has in the past prevented arms sales to Arab states that would have threatened Israel's unique edge in the region; it also initiated the Iran nuclear sanctions law, which makes it illegal for governments to provide arms or aid Iran's nuclear program, the Knesset member said.

"This is not just a polite visit," Steinitz emphasized.

On Tuesday, the delegation will visit an Arrow missile battery at an IDF base in Palmahim, in southern Israel, and will receive a guided tour on the recent successful test of the Arrow system. They will then meet with Mossad Director Meir Dagan.

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Babababa
02-19-07, 07:10 PM

U.S. delegation in Israel considers military option for Iran

Yeah, umm, can someone do a current events report for me?

Anonymous
02-19-07, 09:57 PM

Who will push the button

With 2 carrier Groups in the gulf, Who will fire the first volley across the bows? If anyone doubts there will be war, better think again..

Anonymous
02-19-07, 10:20 PM

If Iran keeps its nuclear program on its current schedule, there is reason to believe war is the only option left. I dont think Israel will wait for a blockade or sanctions.

Anonymous
02-20-07, 04:33 AM

Israel is a pawn

Follow the events. Look at the US purpose. 1. Afganistan 2. Iraq 3. Iran. Its not by coincedince that these countries border Iran on the east and west. Its no coincedince that 911 was needed to make it all happen. The US knows it can not win a conventional war with Iran. This will be a proxy war if anything. The covert ops and psychological warfare that worked in the past no longer works. US purchasing power is not as strong as it was 10 years ago. Iranian contracts with heavy hitters in the east will keep US military muscle at ease. They are hiding the fact that this will be a proxy war. The world leaders know where the problem is. They know where the crux lies. Israel Is not priority #1 in the middle east for the US. Its Oil. And Israel doesnt have any. And when israel plays its hand no nation can help. The Israeli Nuke mystery is really not a mystery at all. A nuclear deterant is only a deterant when the enemy can clearly see it. Israel has never tested a nuke. If israel has nukes now would be the time to show its card. Israel claimed to have purchased uranium depleted bombs (bunker busters) from the US. I find it strange they cant produce their own? They can produce nukes but cant produce bunker busters? Just as Israel purchases much of its weapons from the US Iran also purchases much from Russia. If you think the world heads of the nations want to see a large multi national conflict you need to see a doctor. The US is trying to drawn lines on energy just like the rest of the world. The US will most likely be forced to a stalemate on the issue. Its obvious when Russia supplies iran with nuclear technology that it does not fear a nuclear iran. Russia has plenty of energy resources. Nuclear weapons are no longer the deterant. Energy is the deterant. The US is thirsty and everyone knows it. A full fledged war is stupid instead the US is hoping for disruption in Iran. No better way to achieve this than to send in the dummies who have not heard the Lord of the sheep. And sit back and watch. Damage control. Loss of 2 carriers and about 15000 solders. While Israel gets served a major Kabab Hosseini.

Jerky Joo Joo
02-20-07, 08:33 AM

President Of Iran ...a cork soaker fool !

....the end of Iran is near...........

Good People Of Iran flee as fast as you can..get far far away from Iran...
save your self...your president is going to get you all killed.

Irans goat farmer military is no match for U.N. weapons.

Put your head between your knees and kiss your ass goodbye.

Mzz Cleo
02-20-07, 08:42 AM

Ezekiel 38:1-23 fairy tale

~fairy tale~
what a stupid fairy tale !
hold your tongue and say ...
“Jehovah” three times real fast

thats better...now mayby someone can understand you

Anonymous
02-20-07, 10:51 AM

no ground war

War with Iran will be a bombing campaign much like lebanon after the isreal bombing, only ten times worse. Iran has no weapons to compare with the americans. One day would completely destroy all of Irans infrastructure and its military. Iran couldn’t win the war with Saddam so what makes you think they are a match for the americans? The american F-22 raptor flys faster than any missile russia builds. america has enough conventional bombs to make Iran a dust heap...............

Anonymous
02-20-07, 12:48 PM

Israel is a pawn

In response to no ground war. You are hardly paying attention to what is going on. Did you not see china shoot down a weather satellite. This is not about US and ISRAEL Vs Iran. This is about Russia, Iran, China, Pakistan, India vs all who are against the regonal plans of the SCO nations. 1. a multi billion dollar pipe line from Iran through Pakistan and india to China. China has major investments in Iran. And please dont talk about US allies because Putin can turn europe of like a light switch. Its funny you are acting like the US has the upper hand in this matter. The fact is She is like a Dog trapped in corner planning to give its all or nothing fight. The US is just a CUSTOMER.
Pay attention. How important is it? Important enough to kill 2000 plus of its own citizens in 911 attacks. Lie about WMDs and Sadam and Taliban links to the mysterious OSAMA! Regime change does not work. Logistics say that it is easier to ship eastern energy to eastern customers. Pay attention to the new proposals of a natrual gas cartel. Sending additional troops and aircraft carriers is a major bluff. Russia is the worlds largest gas supplier. And can turn Nato off like a light switch and send europe in to a freaking ice age. You are not paying attention. The USA is your god and your god has lied to you. When you say Iran couldnt win a war with Iraq what makes you think the US has won a war in Iraq? The fact is war on iraq was a over a 20 year war and the us cant leave because it knows regime change will not work and when the cats away the mice will then again play. We know there will be no ground war because The US can not win one. They like to show you new technological advances which decieves you to think that the US military capability is invinceable but you are not paying attention to who the enemy is. It took one sunburn to get the israeli navy to pay attention hezbolla. The US millitary does not have a the capability to stop a hundred cheaply made sunburns from making tuna salad out of a US carrier. The US air superiority comes in the form of tomahawk missiles not freakin f22 raptors. Thats funny. First tomahawks then f22s. Tomahawks are launched from ships in most cases . Very vulnarable ones. Im not the warring type But I think I would take 5000 sunburn missles over 3 us carriers. The US can not defeat Iran with smart bombs and f22s LOL. Do you rember the short exchange of fire between Taiwan and China in which the us positioned its ships in as if it was going go help tawain? I think sunburns made them back the hell up pretty quick. You see a one sided story. I was shocked when the soviet union fell when much of the russian military capability became known and how many cheaply made weapons were developed. Take down a billion dollar carrier with 50 thousand dollar missle and you win the war. Those f22s need a place to land. Iran will make sure they dont have a place to land. You think a f22 has no weakness? Its range is about 2000 miles. Every air base in the region will recieve a hail of iranian (russian) missles. With out Israel US capability is weakend. A israeli millitary with no naval support while fighting a enemy in the north of whome they can not see raining thousands of cheap rockets is severely weakend. US capability from Iraq is also failing thats why they sent 25000 more. The US can only hope for a temporary disruption. Remember it took 20 years to get where they are in Iraq. You are decieving yourself. Iran has had alot to learn from Iraq and thats why your comparison is badly flawed. Nato is in afganistan but like I said before Putin can turn Europe off like a light switch. Israel Defeted the Leb civilian population not hezbulla.

Anonymous
02-20-07, 12:54 PM

Israel is a pawn

President Of Iran ...a cork soaker fool !

The iranian goat farming military does not have to fight UN weapons. Russia and China are permanant members and both say to hell with US ambitions in the middle east.

Anonymous
02-20-07, 01:00 PM

Israel is a pawn

response to Hizbollah will be first.

Hizbollah? What about Syria? The recent war with hizbollah did not include a syrian military capability. The Fact is that this whore has a God named the USA. And she has denied him who has protectected her and set let us rely on the USA. Just like pimp who is sick of his whore sells her off so shall israel be sold out.

melchizedek
02-20-07, 07:26 PM

who's the pawn ?

Israel isnt the pawn. Its the US. The US dances to israels tune. all the world knows this.

melchizedek
02-20-07, 07:27 PM

who's the pawn ?

Israel isnt the pawn. Its the US. The US dances to israels tune. all the world knows this.

melchizedek
02-20-07, 07:27 PM

who's the pawn ?

Israel isnt the pawn. Its the US. The US dances to israels tune. all the world knows this.

Anonymous
02-22-07, 02:19 PM

Israel is a pawn

This isnt about religion. Its about Money and power through that money. Every religon on earth is false. Religion has allways been used to wage war on others. There are a few individuals that enjoy playing God with the rest of humanity. They are false and have not known God. If a person knows God then he also knows these religions are false. That the wicked are bound by laws. That him that is lawfull infact does not need law at all. Love came before the lawless. The lawless came before the law. The law is a curse for the lawless because they can never fullfil the law. Gods love comes by choice. He choses and has done so from the begining. God choses the wicked and he choses the right. Your false religions seem to let you think you can do something that can make you rightous. The fact is its Gods choice. Only God can make a man rightous. The only thing you know is that you were born. You had no choice in that birth. But you run around like you know that which you have not seen. You can not believe because the truth has not been revealed to you. In fact the very words I am wasting here you could never understand unless God has shown you himself.
Not a single man can take credit for anything. NOTHING. All you know is you were born and the doctor slapped you on the ass to make you breath. Other than that you have heard nothing but deception and from generation to generation you have be decieved and this has been Gods choice because he knew you could not do right. You must be reborn of the spirit and if you have been reborn of the then you have seen the holy ones of God. If you have seen them then they have come to you in peace and in harsh correction to humiliate you that you might know you dont know. That he who is chastised by him is truly blessed. He that is corrected has all things. He has been guided from his own wicked direction and none of this is done through the words of man. And no book holds the truth. It is he who has the words and ways of God written in his heart that knows. A rare and trouble person because he lives amongst beasts whom carry his form. He shall take part in the destruction of the wicked and by the Hand of his God he shall slay the mighty. For they have taken his food and taken his land and sell back to him that his God have given him from birth. They have made his portion small and horded his things .They are theives and are unaware. There shall be a victor and his people shall be victorious and they shall not know what a muslim, christian, jew, buhdist or hindu is.
They shall trample them all and the wicked shall be exterminated. Because God has Chosen. And God has is RIGHT. And the religions in error. So be proud of your nation and your traditions because soon they will not exist. And no lie shall again form amongst the beloved.

Anonymous
02-23-07, 03:24 AM

Israel is a pawn

In response to the us can destroy all the middle east. With Conventional weapons.

::::The US can destroy all of the middle east and level it to smoking rubble at anytime without using anything but conventional weapons who are you fooling?
The point is we lack the will and desire to do so.
Iran can be taken out using only US airpower and special black ops squads to take out the people ruling Iran at this time.
Given the chance of success most of the younger people in Iran want nothing to do with the current government of Iran and demonstrate against it all the time.
When they do so they are jailed, tortured and killed.
Allowing these same people a chance at self rule would go along way.

Looking up last mahdi and Twelvers will shed light on why Iran wants nukes so bad.::::::

Get real you arent fooling anyone this is about energy. The US is the biggest customer you act like Iran is the foe when its russia and china. You need to go back in history and see that the only war the US ever won was with the help of Russia and England. The US did not win in korea, nor veitnam, nor Iraq. Russia has all the energy it could ever need. The new russia is more dangerous than the soviet union. Because of its energy and ability to sell that energy in half assed democratic government. You need to look around. What is Gazprom? They took the energy from the free market. There is no greater threat to a economy then to limit its access to energy. The us lacks the desire to level the middle east? Again you are missing the big picture. Its not about what you say the iranian people want and its not about iran and nukes. Its about Russia providing the nuclear technology to a country that IS a supplier not a CUSTOMER. Why doesnt russia fear a nuclear Iran? Because Russia knows that nuclear weapons are not the ultimate deterant. Energy is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_size_of_armed_forces
Who are you fooling back your claims up with facts. You watch to much discovery channel.
You think the US has the capability to to take Iran with conventional weapons when the whole point of iran inking contracts with China and Russia is to align itself with allies? Russia alone has 4 tanks to 1 us tank. You think they are gonna let the US go walk in and establish domination over the worlds crude oil you need a shrink. The purchasing power is just not there. And eastern oil is easily shipped to eastern customers. China has a whole lot of money as well as India. Rapid Growth gives them more purchasing power. Logisticaly they have a GREAT advantage over the US. Middle eastern oil ships to the us on ships. The pipeline will extend extend through Iran, Pakistan, India and China. These are in or will be in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization. Of the world top five armies 4 are in the SCO Conventionally speaking the US is no match and Putin controls NATO energy. Gazprom again remeber that? You are in for a big suprise if you think the US is going to go up against these. To touch Iran is to Touch these. Thats why I know the us will send in the dummies. That couldnt even defeat guerillas in the north. South american energy is being flexed as a weapon against the US as well. The us faces major problems on multiple fronts. The europeans dont want to be sent into an ice age for messing with Putin so dont expect to much help from them. So whos left? THE AUSSIES! and JAPAN! Every one else is in check.

muckeye
02-19-07, 09:44 PM

U.S. delegation in Israel considers military option for Iran

I’ll stand behind Bush ! Right behind him is the only way you will see me there.

Anonymous
02-19-07, 10:35 PM

Pawns

Let Israel do their own dirty work.

One begins to get the impression after a while that the Israel lobby is the US shadow government.

Lvin Israel
02-20-07, 04:24 AM

US & Israel have the best weapons but both lack competense to defeat Iran.

Anonymous
02-20-07, 06:26 PM

Lvin Israel;16949:
US & Israel have the best weapons but both lack competense to defeat Iran.



We are not talking about defeating Iran. I could see a repeat of what happened in 1991 when we went to Iraq and bombed their military infrastractures - using stealth aircrafts and cruise missiles, with precision munitions. We could do the same and obliterate Iran’s nuclear facilities and missiles lunchers using B-2 Stealth Bombers, F-117 Night Hawk Stealth Aircrafts, and Cruise Missiles.

The Prophet
02-20-07, 06:34 AM

THE

In the HOLY BIBLE, the book of Prophet EZEKIEL chapter 38 verses 1-23, is an amazing prophesy of what is about to happen in the middle east soon. Israel will strike Iran’s nuclear facility in pre-emptive defence of the nation. Russia, the godfather and major contractor of Iran’s nukes will get infuriated and lead a major military expedition against Israel in confederation with radical Arab states.

What will be the result? read the scriptures quoted above for the answer. But i can help you. Its going to be another victory for Israel. The USA and Britain will this time be helpless to help Israel but JEHOVAH who has chosen ISRAEL as a nation and through whom He will unfold His final plan of salvation for the world will rescue Israel. Israel this time will not raise a single gun against this deadly confederation but JEHOVAH will fight against the enemy from Heaven that He will be glorified. Doubt it? read Ezekiel 38:1-23 for self.

Anonymous
02-22-07, 04:13 PM

Not Can't Won't

Unregistered;16950:
Follow the events. Look at the US purpose. 1. Afganistan 2. Iraq 3. Iran. Its not by coincedince that these countries border Iran on the east and west. Its no coincedince that 911 was needed to make it all happen. The US knows it can not win a conventional war with Iran. This will be a proxy war if anything. The covert ops and psychological warfare that worked in the past no longer works. US purchasing power is not as strong as it was 10 years ago. Iranian contracts with heavy hitters in the east will keep US military muscle at ease. They are hiding the fact that this will be a proxy war. The world leaders know where the problem is. They know where the crux lies. Israel Is not priority #1 in the middle east for the US. Its Oil. And Israel doesnt have any. And when israel plays its hand no nation can help. The Israeli Nuke mystery is really not a mystery at all. A nuclear deterant is only a deterant when the enemy can clearly see it. Israel has never tested a nuke. If israel has nukes now would be the time to show its card. Israel claimed to have purchased uranium depleted bombs (bunker busters) from the US. I find it strange they cant produce their own? They can produce nukes but cant produce bunker busters? Just as Israel purchases much of its weapons from the US Iran also purchases much from Russia. If you think the world heads of the nations want to see a large multi national conflict you need to see a doctor. The US is trying to drawn lines on energy just like the rest of the world. The US will most likely be forced to a stalemate on the issue. Its obvious when Russia supplies iran with nuclear technology that it does not fear a nuclear iran. Russia has plenty of energy resources. Nuclear weapons are no longer the deterant. Energy is the deterant. The US is thirsty and everyone knows it. A full fledged war is stupid instead the US is hoping for disruption in Iran. No better way to achieve this than to send in the dummies who have not heard the Lord of the sheep. And sit back and watch. Damage control. Loss of 2 carriers and about 15000 solders. While Israel gets served a major Kabab Hosseini.



The US can destroy all of the middle east and level it to smoking rubble at anytime without using anything but conventional weapons who are you fooling?
The point is we lack the will and desire to do so.
Iran can be taken out using only US airpower and special black ops squads to take out the people ruling Iran at this time.
Given the chance of success most of the younger people in Iran want nothing to do with the current government of Iran and demonstrate against it all the time.
When they do so they are jailed, tortured and killed.
Allowing these same people a chance at self rule would go along way.

Looking up last mahdi and Twelvers will shed light on why Iran wants nukes so bad.

Wet
02-20-07, 09:11 AM

military option for Iran?

If history is to be remembered, both the Us and Isreal are in for a shock and a rude awakening opting to attack. Intrests in oil aside, the for they are up against is their own equal and if the jewz hope, with the help of USA, to nuke iran, no stone will be left an turned on this planet this time around. two nukes in japan from the same source was enough!!
Thank you all.

Anonymous
02-20-07, 10:28 AM

"ethnic groups" of Iran shall help Israel.

http://www.radiobalochi.org/jondallah/Bayanieh_english070220.html

Statement of People’s Resistance Movement of Iran (former Jondollah of Iran ) to Media & International community

After our recent defensive measures to prevent the Islamic Republic of Iran from the genocide of Baloch people, some news media have published certain allegations that we categorically reject. People’s Resistance Movement of Iran (former Jondollah of Iran ) is a defensive organization that has been formed to campaign for freedom and democracy in Iran and to protect the Baloch people and other religious and ethnic minorities.

Our mission is to change the present regime and establish a new system in Iran in which every Iranian enjoys equal opportunity and equal rights. We have undertaken to accept the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and all other United Nations conventions on resolutions. We only act in self-defence and whenever the Iranian regime kills an innocent Iranian, we act in accordance to all United Nations conventions that allow people and nations to defend themselves against aggression and genocide.

We strive to force the Iranian regime to abandon its brutal policies against the Baloch people and other Iranian citizens. We campaign to stop discrimination, brutality, injustice, corruption and ethnic cleansing in Iran.

We categorically announce that we have no any kind of relationships and links with Alqaedah, Taleban and other fundamentalist groups. We categorically announce that we have no any kind of relationships with foreign countries including the United States of America and the United Kingdom. We do not receive any support, arms, ammunition, training and financial help from any country.In such conditions it is not easy for us to live peacefully. Yet, we have been able to maintain our independence in such important geopolitical centre and battlefield.

The fact that the Iranian regime labels us as the agents of Taleban, Alqaedah, the United States of America and the United Kingdom clearly demonstrates that we cannot be part of Taleban and a friend of America at the same time. We cannot be a member of Alqaedah and also a friend of United Kingdom and other Western countries. The Iranian regime has underestimated the potentials of the Baluch people and therefore, has to find an excuse for the killing of the Baloch people. We have a moral right to defend ourselves, our community, our nation and our country. It is the Iranian regime that is dealing with different terrorist groups and foreign countries.

Thousands of Baloch people have been killed by Iranian regime and so far the United Nations and other international organizations have never raised their voice against the discrimination and genocide that the Islamic Republic of Iran has been committing in our land.

We were a civil society that was forced into armed struggle by the Iranian regime. We commit ourselves to restart our civil campaign as soon as the conditions in Iran allows.

As our recent operations proved that the Iranian regime is too weak to defend itself. It is much less powerful than what it pretends to be. The Iranian security guards and their elite have become aware of the regime’s brutality and corruption and therefore, they are not prepared to defend this regime anymore. All of those security forces that have been arrested by us have confessed that the Iranian regime is financing terrorism in the region because it is too weak from within to defend itself and therefore, it needs other proxies to defend it.

People’s Resistance Movement of Iran
(former Jondollah of Iran )

Posted>20070220

Pontotoc Bill
02-20-07, 01:49 PM

Mzz Cleo;16955:
~fairy tale~
what a stupid fairy tale !
hold your tongue and say ...
“Jehovah” three times real fast

thats better...now mayby someone can understand you




You are foolish to dismiss out of hand his post. What proof do you have that it is a fairy tale? Provide please.

AIM
02-20-07, 10:58 AM

Hizbollah will be first

In response to ISRAEL IS A PAWN above, Israel tested nukes in South Africa.
All this talk about Iran is a diversion. Hizbollah became stronger after this summers war. If Israel has to take Iran out, they can’t have a war on two fronts. That’s why they need to take out Hizbollah first. 200,000 troops this time.

PETED
02-20-07, 11:46 AM

ISRAEL SUCKS AND THE WORLD KNOWS IT

they will drag the whole world down with them

Anonymous
02-20-07, 12:36 PM

US/Israel vs Iran

There is no doubt that Israel wants the US to attack Iran, and knowing the political power of Israel within the US Government, there is no doubt that eventually the Noe Cons will attack Iran. The point that we have to look at in this conflict are, one if we can permanently stop Iran from acquiring Nuclear weapons, and two, if we attack Iran today, will that give them the right to attack Israel & us tomorrow with out advanced notice. The world has to decide if it wants the US & Israel to continue running lose with their International politics without any checks or balances or do they make the stand through Iran today. I am talking about Russia, and its arming Iran to defend its self and inflict enough pain for the USA to withdraw for ever from the Middle-East.

waltky
02-20-07, 07:29 PM

Granny says he’s goofy, he just beggin' The W to give him a Texas-sized butt-kickin' an' smack his sassy mouth...
:p
Iran president agrees to shut down nuclear development if West does
Tuesday 20th February, 2007 - The president of Iran says he is willing to hold talks with the West over his controversial nuclear program.

Quote:
But he says he will only stop enriching uranium if the West stops too. The Iranian president said he is open to negotiations over Iran’s nuclear program, but he said they must take place under just conditions. He rejected the West’s preconditions for holding talks.

President Ahmadinejad said he is willing to shut down Iran’s uranium-enrichment program, if the Western nations that have been pressuring him to do so shut theirs down as well. He said, “You demand that we close our nuclear fuel production plant before talks begin. This is no problem. But justice requires that you must shut down your nuclear fuel cycle too."

The remarks were made in northern Iran and broadcast on national television a day before the latest U.N. Security Council deadline is to expire for Iran to halt uranium enrichment. The Security Council imposed limited sanctions on Iran in late December, and gave the country 60 days to comply before facing additional measures. The International Atomic Energy Agency is scheduled to report to the Security Council on Friday about Iran’s compliance with the U.N. demands.


More http://www.beijingnews.net/story/229378

Killmall777
02-21-07, 10:19 AM

Armageddon

ezekiel chapters 38 and 39. The RUSSIAN attack Israel leading to the destruction of Russia and the United States. In their place steps the World Government leading to Final Armageddon. Final count 4 billion dead and 2 billion who wished they were dead. Oh yes by the way here comes the true messiah JESUS CHRIST to save the world!

Anonymous
02-21-07, 12:03 PM

peace starts here

its not about who fights who and which countries will fail, if people cant find understanding of one another amoungst extreme differences, they will never find true peace in their own souls. there must be balance among all things, in the physical world, the minds of the people, and the souls of each person. the harder good or evil push, the harder the other will push back. the next true savior is in each and every one of us no matter what your religion is.

Anonymous
02-22-07, 11:16 AM

Nice words but what do you do when religion teaches war?

Unregistered;17049:
its not about who fights who and which countries will fail, if people cant find understanding of one another amoungst extreme differences, they will never find true peace in their own souls. there must be balance among all things, in the physical world, the minds of the people, and the souls of each person. the harder good or evil push, the harder the other will push back. the next true savior is in each and every one of us no matter what your religion is.



What do you do when it says in order to be a good adherant to the religion you must wage war on those who refuse to convert?
If someone wishes to kill you, you must fight back or die end of story.

peace starts here
04-05-07, 12:52 PM

when the truth is that we all pray to the same god

is it not true that all major monotheistic religions have waged war on thier neighbors when specifically god has stated not to do that then it is a matter of faith and logic. do not bring war on your neighbor and do not present yourself so that he may bring it upon you.

may the governments be governed by the people not the other way around...and may there be peace among all.

Anonymous
04-05-07, 01:13 PM

Evil axis

Unregistered;17198:
In response to the us can destroy all the middle east. With Conventional weapons.

::::The US can destroy all of the middle east and level it to smoking rubble at anytime without using anything but conventional weapons who are you fooling?
The point is we lack the will and desire to do so.
Iran can be taken out using only US airpower and special black ops squads to take out the people ruling Iran at this time.
Given the chance of success most of the younger people in Iran want nothing to do with the current government of Iran and demonstrate against it all the time.
When they do so they are jailed, tortured and killed.
Allowing these same people a chance at self rule would go along way.

Looking up last mahdi and Twelvers will shed light on why Iran wants nukes so bad.::::::

Get real you arent fooling anyone this is about energy. The US is the biggest customer you act like Iran is the foe when its russia and china. You need to go back in history and see that the only war the US ever won was with the help of Russia and England. The US did not win in korea, nor veitnam, nor Iraq. Russia has all the energy it could ever need. The new russia is more dangerous than the soviet union. Because of its energy and ability to sell that energy in half assed democratic government. You need to look around. What is Gazprom? They took the energy from the free market. There is no greater threat to a economy then to limit its access to energy. The us lacks the desire to level the middle east? Again you are missing the big picture. Its not about what you say the iranian people want and its not about iran and nukes. Its about Russia providing the nuclear technology to a country that IS a supplier not a CUSTOMER. Why doesnt russia fear a nuclear Iran? Because Russia knows that nuclear weapons are not the ultimate deterant. Energy is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_size_of_armed_forces
Who are you fooling back your claims up with facts. You watch to much discovery channel.
You think the US has the capability to to take Iran with conventional weapons when the whole point of iran inking contracts with China and Russia is to align itself with allies? Russia alone has 4 tanks to 1 us tank. You think they are gonna let the US go walk in and establish domination over the worlds crude oil you need a shrink. The purchasing power is just not there. And eastern oil is easily shipped to eastern customers. China has a whole lot of money as well as India. Rapid Growth gives them more purchasing power. Logisticaly they have a GREAT advantage over the US. Middle eastern oil ships to the us on ships. The pipeline will extend extend through Iran, Pakistan, India and China. These are in or will be in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization. Of the world top five armies 4 are in the SCO Conventionally speaking the US is no match and Putin controls NATO energy. Gazprom again remeber that? You are in for a big suprise if you think the US is going to go up against these. To touch Iran is to Touch these. Thats why I know the us will send in the dummies. That couldnt even defeat guerillas in the north. South american energy is being flexed as a weapon against the US as well. The us faces major problems on multiple fronts. The europeans dont want to be sent into an ice age for messing with Putin so dont expect to much help from them. So whos left? THE AUSSIES! and JAPAN! Every one else is in check.



Yes Russia is dangerous China is worse, most favored nation status my butt.
It won’t be long before the world is plunged yet again into a world war.
Russia has energy but it’s military is still in shambles.
China has a huge military but it is still ill equipped.
Every product made in China and bought elsewhere helps equipe the Chinese war machine.
Business is war.

The US can still topple the Iranian theocracy in many ways.
How fast do you think Russia and China will react if the US starts bombing Iran?
Do you think Russia really wants to get involved directly?
China sure wants no part of it.

Pontotoc Bill
04-05-07, 03:08 PM

peace starts here;22209:
is it not true that all major monotheistic religions have waged war on thier neighbors when specifically god has stated not to do that then it is a matter of faith and logic. do not bring war on your neighbor and do not present yourself so that he may bring it upon you.

may the governments be governed by the people not the other way around...and may there be peace among all.



No, the truth is that all monotheistic religions do NOT pray to the same God. Judiasm and Christianity pray to the same God, the Lord God, the Lord of Lords, the King of Kings.

Islam prays to allah, which is a corruption of al-ilah, a moon god. Actual reality is that allah of Islam is actually Satan. Islam does NOT worship the same god as Jews and Christians. In fact, Islam worships the enemy of the True God, The Lord of Lords, The King of Kings. It is no wonder that Islam directs most of it’s hatred toward Israel and the western world.

Now, do you want peace among all? Only when Islam is defeated and destroyed will we have a chance at peace for all. Until then, Islam will continue to stir up trouble for the world.

waltky
06-10-07, 02:41 AM

Military option still on the table...
;)
Israel Says Military Action Against Iran Possible
09 June 2007 - A senior Israeli official says his country has not ruled out military action against Iran’s nuclear facilities though it prefers diplomacy for now. The official also says Israel has informed Syria that it is interested in resuming peace talks.

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Israel’s Deputy Prime Minister Shaul Mofaz says all options are on the table when it comes to dealing with Iran’s nuclear program. Mofaz says Israel has sent a clear signal that the military option is one possibility for stopping Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons. But in an Israel Radio interview, he said war would be a last resort. “At this time, international sanctions are the right course of action and they should be intensified," he said.

Mofaz, who met with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice in Washington earlier this week, said Israel and the United States have agreed to review the effectiveness of sanctions at the end of the year. Israel has grown increasingly alarmed about Iran’s nuclear program since late 2005, when the Iranian president threatened to wipe the Jewish state “off the map." Turning to Syria, Mofaz said Israel is interested in reviving peace talks, which collapsed seven years ago.

He said that Israel has sent secret messages to Syria, but has not received a response. Mofaz did not reveal the contents of the messages, but on Friday, an Israeli newspaper said Israel told Syria it is prepared to withdraw from the strategic Golan Heights in exchange for full peace. Israel captured the Golan from Syria 40 years ago this week, but there is little enthusiasm here for giving it back. A poll shows that 84 percent of Israelis oppose a full withdrawal from the Golan Heights.

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